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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ethereal

e?the?re?al (-th?r-l)
adj.
1. Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.
2. Highly refined; delicate. See Synonyms at airy.
3.
a. Of the celestial spheres; heavenly.
b. Not of this world; spiritual.
4. Chemistry Of or relating to ether.

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Ethereal: A Network Protocol Analyzer
Ethereal is a network protocol analyzer for Unix and Windows. It has an extensive list of features.
http://www.ethereal.com/

I get it.... Ether & Real combined.. makes sense now.

Boston, sounds like you were in the computer business before.

Good thread.
But how times change: 'Ethereal'

In computing, Ethereal is a protocol analyzer, or "packet sniffer" software, used for network troubleshooting, analysis, software and protocol development, and education. It has all of the standard features of a protocol analyzer.

A network analyzer, also known as a network sniffer or a protocol analyzer. Ethereal is freely available for UNIX/Linux and Microsoft Windows systems

wikipedia

And, no, I'm not getting into this discussion. But I do agree with you--but with which you?

Well, I was trying to be constructive. The man (and his 2 alter egos) need serious help and I was trying to get him/them that help. Besides, think of his poor cat, Ecru - but maybe they will let him take the cat with him in his new "home". The cat could play with the squirrels and geese that also make Whitby their abode.

Ray

Raymond, let's keep it constructive...

this is an ethereal thread and so ethereal thoughts are allowed :)

Steven, Steven, Steven.....

Help is available at the Whitby Mental Health Center only a few kilometers from where you live. It sits on the lake where you can watch all the birdies and squirrels come and go.

As long as you are diligent in taking your medication, I'm sure there's a bed and caseworker there who can help you and Amos and Andy.

Now, knock off the booze and the three of you go back to sleep!

Ray

Okeh, second longer and more detailed reply to the thread as it currently (2100EDST, 16-Jun-2007)...

First, our "Correll & Gosden" guy (look it up, eh?!) Is correct in his assumption that
"money," as we know it has no more, or less, instrinsic value that what the current Federal government of says it does! In fact, those to whom it is given may limit the value to considerably less, according to their willingness to believe the claims of the issuing government (i.e. the Russian Ruble of 10-15 years back...!).

However, there is NOTHING that has a totally fixed value regardless of circumstances! The world-wide "financial industry" does assign a fixed value to gold...however, gold itself is a metal with only a few uses, none of which create or define its "value!" If you are hiking across the Sahara which would you rather run across...a kilo of gold, or a liter (= 1 kilo) of cool water...?!

Further, the characteristics of the furthest-leaning (neo-) conservatives are remarkably similar to those of the ordinary 2-year-old! The conversations of both can essentially be simplified to "No! I WON'T do it! You CAN'T make me! No! No!..."

That said, one of the harsh realities in the behaviour of Homo Sapiens "en masse" is that there will ALWAYS be those individuals who will attempt to improve their position in the dominance hierarchy...AKA "status" through actions which are forbidden by existing laws and statuates, by the ethics and mores of the community in which they live, and/or by the teachings of whatever religion is most common in that community. In some cases, these can be blamed on the temporary lapses of "controlled thought" (by the above-named "rules," NOT by some outside authority/force...!) on the part of an individual...in other cases, it can be blamed on some sort of "brain-wiring defect"
(AKA "sociopathy" or even "psychopathy!"), or in other words, there exist a number of humans who do NOT behave in what is considered a "sane" manner (and can't, as far as is known, can be "repaired"...!)

Now, "C&G" is entirely correct when he points out that laws (or any codified guides toward acceptable behaviour, for that matter...!) DO not...in fact, CAN not...prevent individual incidences of the "undesirable/forbidden" behaviours. "Criminals" simply don't take the time and effort to evaluate their actions before carrying them out!" OTOH, the "sane" members of a human "society" will still base their actions on the contents of statute books, holy scriptures or commonly-held ideas of "right and wrong!" Do we let the fact that drivers will "run" traffic lights...accidentally or intentionally...stop us from attempting to use them for traffic control at busy intersections! I think NOT!

Now, "C&G" sez...
"Perhaps all these laws just restrict honest people who are already disposed to treat others as they would choose to be treated and are unfortunately painted with the same brush as those who are irresponsible."

To which I reply "HUH?!?!"

So, on the basis that 1 out of every ten million murder victims actually DESERVED killing, we repeal al the laws against murder and edit "Thou shall not kill" out of all our Bibles (and their equivalents in other faiths)
DON'T THINK SO! First, no one (with the possible exceptions of Jesus Christ, Muhammad and Buddha) is well-informed and emotion-free enough to make instant decisions on such matters...and second, as I noted, there exist humans who are simply incabable of letting the ethics/mores-influenced "rules" overrule their own immediate desires!

Finally...for the most part, I have NO objections to paying taxes! I am provided with running water, a sidewalk (and street) in front of my house, a fire department I can call if needs be, a hospital just to the north of my abode (this being Canada, where health care is NOT private)...as well as a transit system which takes me virtually everywhere I need to go...und so weiter...!

There are other services where I would question whether I am being fairly provided (the police could care SFA about us po' fo'ks, for example...!) but the option is always available to make official complaints and/or take action!

On the provincial (state) level, I am provided with a system of "superhighways" (which at least the transit buses can use...) as well as a number of services I only use indirectly...!

On the Federal level, the services become even more indirect...but, for one thing, I rather doubt that I could afford to hire the mercenaries needed if a war broke out...!

Meanwhile, our "dedicated Libertarian" (if such exist) will have to, if his house catches fire, either use his garden hose...or hope his neighbour helps him (this being a metter of self-interest for said neighbour, since sparks could be blown onto his roof and set HIS house on fire...?!)

Homo Sapiens, since the species originated, has had to depend on co-operative effort to survive. We had no talons, no fangs, no overwhelming strength...and no way of poisoning our prey or predators. We DID have two things...our intelligence, and, more importantly, our tendency and ability to co-operate with one another. ONE cave-person didn't overwhelm the mammoth...it took several working together!

I'm finally done, eh?!

Steven C. Barr

Well...isn't "Fiat money" that portion of one's financial assets used for the purchase of Italian motor cars...?!
:-)
Longer & more detailed discussion to follow...!

Steven C. Barr
Oshawa (late Skae's Corners), Ont'o (late Canada West)

AmosNAndy,
This is a forum where you are FREE to speak your mind... everybody's got opinions.

I've learned along time ago not to argue about peoples opinions. Your opinion is your opinion.

I do like to argue facts.

I don't address your questions because I don't have the time to speak into that black hole of thought.

To be honest, I have a friend named Don Neuls from Regina Saskatchewan who went to jail for fighting the federal government regarding not paying taxes. His feelings were the same as yours.

He wanted to have his own sovereign nation in Canada so that he wouldn't have to pay taxes...

AmosNAndy... do you drive on Canadian roads... Do you or any loved ones use the medicare system that canada offers... Do you enjoy a peaceful, non-warring nation? Do you enjoy any benefits that canadian governments have to offer?

Don Neuls went to jail, and broke up his marriage because of these beliefs... He was very strongly into them...

Are you willing to forsake all to stand up for your beliefs?

For myself, I've learned to enjoy the current regulations, as flawed as they are...

I would rather the Canadian government than say Saddam Hussein etc.

So no.. I won't answer your questions... I feel it important to stay diplomatic and professional on this forum...

Feel free to document your thoughts here as many people read this and may be persuaded in your direction :)

Dear Monty;

Of course youre welcome to continue to focus on making money. It's not likely that we will achieve a meeting of the minds. I did respond only because you expressly asked questions. And continue to do so.

I find it interesting that your focus is on making money but chose not to answer my questions relating to money. Is it because you dont know the answers that you refer to my posts as "ethereal"? Or that you prefer that the answers not show up here?

So I will post the answers here and even if you do delete this thread, you sir, will know and I leave it to you and your conscience how you choose to co-exist with your fellow man.

FIAT money is the only kind any of us use. "Legal Tender".

Where does it come from? It is written into existence out of nothing by the banks. Government loans are written by the Federal Reserve. See definition again if you wish.
Also written into existence by smaller banks such as Nova Scotia, B of M etc.
Dontcha love banking legislation?

Every time new money(that is backed by nothing) enters the economy; inflation is the result. Inflation hits those hardest who have the least property/money. Note price differences of say 100 yrs ago. Note a national debt that our children wont even be able to live long enough to pay off.

Where does the money come from to pay the interest? From the lifeblood and sweat of common decent people; in real property such as homes when they are foreclosed.

If all the loans were paid off there would BE no money because money is debt.
Every time we borrow money from a bank we increase the loss of those least able to pay.
In any conscience at all....how do we continue?
My answer is one person at a time through self liberty and responsibility.

It's not perfect; it never is. Each generation must achieve it's own freedom. Our history shows us that.

Youre asking me what country? what government?....perhaps you havent been listening. I am a crew member of Spaceship Earth; a rich bright beautiful planet with 6 billion beautiful people with enormous capabilities and potential.

I dont expect you to agree with me, but I thank you for the opportunity to speak for freedom.

Love ...shera

AmosNAndy,

I agree with StevenC to a good extent.

The topic is relevant as it relates to laws that are in place in Canada that aren't administered by government properly.

I'm not going to debate your stone age concepts of law. We live in a country that has a legal system, and I don't think you or I are going to change that any time soon.

AmosNAndy, Let me ask you this...
Which government in which nation is going to satisfy your NO BIG BROTHER requirements?

I'm a profit oriented business. I need to make money to pay the bills. I can't pay the bills discussing ethereal topics on this site. (Others can discuss ethereal topics, I just don't have time though.)

While I do agree that love conquers all, and that the ten commandments are right, its hard to regulate people (their contracts and disagreements) in this internationally oriented world without a structured legal system.

Which country would be better for you AmosNAndy?