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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby Raymond » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:00:00 AM

"Monty, I don't have anything against wayne at all, just EVERYTHING SHE TOLD ME ABOUT HIM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT I WORKED FOR WHEN I WAS IN COLLECTIONS, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME......so why not call them and see if they like it,

when i worked, we just collected money. most of us did not have some evil plan to piss people off, we just did our job, we all heard horror stories about what some people said or did, but to us they were just stories...

i am trying to get my friend to tell some of her stories, but she is to worried about getting in trouble. she has some juicy stuff about TCR...she thinks no one cares and this is a waste for me to come on here..."
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Dear Wally Wallow, (whatever the heck that is),

1. First of all, you sound like a woman, not a man, though naturally, you are free to adopt any userid you want.

2. George Krieser and Wayne Macleod are 2 people that Natale and her friends wouldn't take very kindly to, especially in view of the litigation between them. Earlier on, Natale's home address and phone number were posted on this site by Macleod and now someone claiming to be a friend of an ex-TCR lady, posts Macleod's home phone number and link to his house address. After that, we have TCR owner, George Krieser's direct office number pasted with the suggestion to "give it back to him and see how he likes it." Not a bad idea, but it sure looks like a tit for tat.

3, It seems highly improbable that someone who used to be in collections (herself?) would go to the trouble of pasting a fellow collector's number on the site unless they had (if you'll forgive the expression) a hard on against them.

4. After posting the 411 link for his number, you "dummied up" and said you thought Macleod lived in Richmond Hill "or something." But that can't be because, if you posted the 411 link, you had to have read it in the first place, and according to that link he doesn't live in Richmond Hill.

5. The above 3 quoted paragraphs strain all credibility, if they come from someone who worked in collections. I've never seen a collector that wasn't brash, hard, and nasty. If they weren't, they never made any money. The whole "modus operandi" of the collection industry is to wear people down so you can bust 'em up. "Persistance wears down Resistance" is the motto proudly posted on the TCR website. "Psychological tenderizing" as they say in the industry. Your collection experience in the first paragraph completely contradicts the experience with the people you worked for in the second paragraph. Which is it?

And yet, somehow, you've never seen any of this. I mean, yes, you've heard stories, but.... Kind of like the guy [in the Toronto Sun] last week who ran an escort service, up on tax evasion charges, who claimed he didn't know his girls were having sex with the customers. He had heard stories, but....

Not a waste of time at all for you to come on here. Your presence tells me a lot.

Ray

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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby marjm » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Hello, my husband & I did make a complaint about TCR to Corporate & Comsumer Affairs of Alberta last year. They were investigated & we proved that the collector, Giulia S., was unlicenced. She was supposedly fired after admitting that she had called 10-11 times if I remember correctly the same day within a short period of time. She called me at home & at work & had said she didn't think I sounded very intelligent. Well, firstly I'm far from stupid and secondly I didn't owe the money as it wasn't my account. They never provided me with a copy of their licence or a copy of the contract they claimed I signed.
Anyway after being investigated they turned the account over to another collection agency who in turn turned it over to another one.
I haven't heard anymore since I told them I wanted copies of the company licence for Alberta, the collector's licence for Alberta & a copy of the contract I supposedly signed & that all future calls would be recorded. The telephone company in Alberta said it is legal to tape phone calls as long as one of the parties know & that of course is me.
If I choose to, according to Consumer & Corporate Affairs, I can sue them for harrassment. At this point if they stay out of my life I will stay out of theirs but I will not put up with anymore of their threats.

This never was my account but it didn't matter what I said they said it was so I guess if nothing else it's taught me how to fight back. I also have copies of all correspondence & I kept a record of the dates & times of all the calls. If they start with me again I'm ready for them.
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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby wally » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Ray,

I do not know her, I have read about her here of course. lol

My friend gave me the direct line to the owner, Geroge Keeser

416-774-4100 that is his direct line she said, I called to verify and it was...Monty it was the work number in case you worried

Monty, I don;t have anything against wayne at all, just everything she told me about him, and the people that I worked for when I was in collections, they are all the same...so why not call them and see if they like it,

should the owner of TCR not have to take any calls from us, there could be a chance that he does not know what is going on...

how come no one complains to the gov't when this crap goes down.

when i worked, we just collected money. most of us did not have some evil plan to piss people off, we just did our job, we all heard horror stories about what some people said or did, but to us they were just stories...

i am trying to get my friend to tell some of her stories, but she is to worried about getting in trouble. she has some juicy stuff about TCR...she thinks no one cares and this is a waste for me to come on here...

anyway,

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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby Raymond » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:00:00 AM

BTW, "Wally Wallow", you never did get around to answering whether you knew Deanna Natale.

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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby montyloree » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Let's get the party started today!!

I'm going to go into building mode for the next few days with the Canadian Tour of Personal Finance blogs etc so I won't be posting as much as I'd like.

"It's always my pleasure to see the human excrament hit the air oscillating system"

There are a few news items I posted the other day that I was disturbed about...

However, I'm going to let you guys talk about things today!!
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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby montyloree » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Hey Wally Wallow,
What's your connection to Wayne MacLeod?

Has he been collecting you too!?
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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby Raymond » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Thanks for the link. BTW, you wouldn't know Deanna Natale, the "D-Rex of Debt," too would you?

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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby wally » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Monty, here is the link...straight from 411.ca listed under his wife's initial

http://411ca.whitepages.com/1234/search/Replay?search_id=40021410471815242264&lower=67&more_info=1
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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby Raymond » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Thanks for posting the phone number. I don't think Macleod could complain because he, in turn, posted Natale's home phone number and address on the forum back in February. So all he would be able to say is, "What goes around comes around."

I personally would have no reason to call those two individuals at home but others might have a legally valid reason for doing so.

If other readers do, just make sure you have such a reason because they may come back on you if you give them an opportunity.

As for "complainer hater," he/she is more likely to be friend of Macleod or Natale than a hater, especially, when their posts suddenly appeared out of nowhere in threads criticizing TCR and Natale.

And as for Monty's checking up on Wayne Macleod at work, I hope Monty's not holding his breath waiting for him to return his call to verify, "Yes, it really was me bros." It's not going to happen.

With respect to a certain musician's 20 nuisance posts last week, it further appears that Macleod had no connection with them. It turns out that the guy just had too much to drink. I accused Macleod of being behind it because of a strange coincidence, but, in fact, that's all it was. In any event, the guy didn't sound at all like a collector, so I never felt comfortable with the assertion.

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RE: Complainer Hater, Try this for Wayne Macleod

Postby montyloree » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Hi Wally Wallow,

Thanks for visiting.

Yes, you're correct, I called Wayne MacLeod up at his office and never heard back from him. My call was to do some fact checking as a courtesy to Wayne. He know's where we are anyways...

I think I would prefer to publish a link to Wayne MacLeod's phone number at home rather than publish the number itself. It's fair game to call a collection agent at their place of business, but I'm not really encouraging harrassing people at home. That goes beyond the scope of this site.

If Wayne MacLeod's phone number is public record and listed on the internet, please feel free to give us a link to that number.

How is it that you came to dislike Wayne MacLeod?

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