well i bought a car went to the mto to find out i owe 23,000 .00 so i laugh at her and left sold the car the can stick there bill up there a** cause i wont pay it id rather ttc it or cab it than pay it

can the 407 etr sue you in court under the old limitations act under specialty debts that enables them to come after you for 20yrs.they say that the obligation to pay the toll was created under statute re 407 act section 13 - 15 and therefore is a specialty debt. anyone know if this is true.

It seems that the problems are getting worse. I've been dealing with ongoing dispute. I live in an area that is two hours from the highway robbers location. The one and only time of usage was in 2000 or 2001. At the time, it was invoiced at $20.00 approx. and paid within the alloted time. Now new invoice for 2002 and 2003 are stopping me from getting new plates. Dec. 2008 a payment of approx $300 was paid in desperation for the vehicle use. Everything was good, until this year now another $116 is owed. When asked about proof, none is brought forward. They just claim that I owe the toll. The same where gov members are asked with no gain in ground. They claim their hands are tied. It boggels the mind to try and think this out. If anyone has any ideas how to end the injustices, I'd be wiling to help sort it out. Even the lawyers contacted don't have answers.

Has anyone who owed the 407 ETR settled their account for less then the amount that is outstanding? If you have please post I'm curious to know what sort of % the 407 accepts as a settlement once it has gone past due - or if they accept settlements period.

Thank you

You know what drives me freaking insane is the stupid look tat the person behind the counter at the MTO or even the 407 give you, when you ask them how a private and large profit company is able to affect your government paper work. I ask them this was aloud to happen? All I get is that stupid look like I don't have aright to ask or fight it. How the hell did this happen I don't remember voting on the sale of a tax payer funded project. My god have we completely given in to the privatization of all government sectors? Things have to change, and they have to soon. We need to stand up and revolt. Its not just the 407 its everything we thought we had in our lives. It has to start now!

I have just had the same experience and have contacted MP, MPP, Minister of Transportation and even Premier, with no luck. This is ridiculous. The original amounts of these so called invoices, from 10 and 8 years ago, are $15.00 and $20.00 and now thay are saying I owe $14000

What are the options here?

I fully understand your situation, I am also about to launch a class action suit against the 407, due to the fact the it is extorting Canadians like myself, and I will not stand for it, recently I went to renew my sticker at the M.T.O. and was told that I owe get this $23185.00, The lady at the M.T.O. said there was nothing she could do about it, and that I had to deal with the 407 directly, so I went over to the office, and said whats going on, they brought up my current plate, said I owe about $380.00, ok fine, so where is the rest coming from?, so the lady pulls up another plate, says do you remember this plate, I say no, she pulls up a picture of a car that I have not had since 2005, and proceeds to tell me that ya the last time it was used was in 2005, so I say, really so what was the amount I owed you in 2005, the lady says just over $5000.00 , so the next question I asked is what is your extortion rate or interest rate as you call it, she tells me 25%, I do some quick math, and it seems to me that even if you charged me 25% a month, witch by the way is illegal, the most any Canadian company by law can collect is 60% a year, not a month, anyway do the math $5000.00 4 years of interest, at more than $250.00 a month is only $12000.00 in interest, the 12000 plus the 5000, is only 18000, so what I am getting to hear is the interest rate they are charging is far over the legal Canadian limit, and it is in every way shape and form its EXTORTION. As a Canadian I am outraged by this behavior, not to mention the Canadian Government assisting a private business in its collection efforts that is not even a Canadian company. Well lucky for me I have some friends in very high places, I intent to put together the biggest lawsuit the 407 has ever seen, I am looking for some good lawyers that have experience with the 407 and its policies also anyone else that is in the same situation, please feel free to email me with your story, I assure you this is one Canadian that will not let it go, They want 23 grand out of me, I will spend a million out of my own pocket to take the 407 down, This is a matter of principal, and this time they got the wrong guy, I am currently in the process of putting together a huge anti 407 marketing campaign on the internet, as this is what my company does, huge internet marketing, I assure you, when I am done with them, there will not be a Canadian around, that does not know about the business practices of the 407 ETR.

CBaird, I feel your pain, my $400 bill escalated to $5,936. I disputed for over 4 years regarding the video charges (even with a transponder) and interest on those video charges, and you are so right Raymond, the ombudsman is a waste of time as was my MP. I am now making arrangements to pay the total bill. I wonder how many government employees/politicians are investors?

Well, alright, to be honest, I was exaggerating things a bit for dramatic effect. I mean who's gonna live for another 90 years and 3 months that's currently old enough to drive? And since the 407 isn't going to be able to sue her after this year because of SOL laws, she really won't be legally liable for any money anyhow.

It's merely that if she decides to get a car for herself (and not be dependant on others) and she stays in Ontario, she'll be on the hook for the money before any plates can be gotten for another car.

To be more realistic, I should have used a period of say, 25 years that she might still be want to be driving - I'm only guessing as I have no idea how old she is now. In that case, it won't be necessary to cough up anything like 17 trillion dollars; no, instead, only a measly $3,395,000 (assuming a grandfathered interest rate) will do. Besides, I'm sure she will have gotten a big raise by that time anyway.

I was reading in "Psychology Today" some time ago, that in a large crowd, it only takes 1/2 of 1 percent of the people in it to start a riot. I can't say if that's true or not since I haven't started any riots lately - but it might be, judging from a few soccer games I've seen. Certainly, what is true is that any law in order to succeed, must have the co-operation of the vast majority of the society in which it's enacted.

After all, it really is true they can't fine or throw everyone in jail because the basic internal logistics of society would break down. Even something as minor as the speed limit on a highway is virtually impossible to enforce. All any limited sized police force can do is catch a few of the more egregious violators. But to try and enforce a law that says that everyone must drive at 100 km per hour on the 401 highway is virtually impossible.

So I think that if 10% (or even 5%) of the population said, "enough is enough" and refused to pay their 407 bills, it wouldn't be feasible for the government to disallow that many people not to be able to get to work in the morning.

The reason that the 407 Consortium has been able to get away with "highway robbery" is that there hasn't been a sufficiently galvanizing organization or group to get as much as 5 or 10 percent of GTA residents on board. I know that Linda Leatherdale, business editor of the Toronto Sun, tried for some time and made some inroads; however, they too, proved insufficient.

Ray

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped paying their bills? And then if someone sent a letter to the government to let them know just how impossibly large the debt would be at the end of the lease? If one person's total owing would be in excess of 17 trillion dollars, just how high could it all go? How many dollars need to be at stake before someone takes notice?