Oh my ... an old discussion

hey...
can you guys move the "non-collection agency" discussion to the general discussion area.

Many thanks.

I know you live in Oshawa; that's why I said the Whitby Mental Health Center (a.k.a. luny bin) was only a few kilometers away. Only an insane man would argue with another insane one.

And I quote...
> Well, I was trying to be constructive. The man (and his 2 alter egos) need serious help and I was trying to get him/them that help. Besides, think of his poor cat, Ecru - but maybe they will let him take the cat with him in his new "home". The cat could play with the squirrels and geese that also make Whitby their abode.
> Ray
>
Okeh "Raymond" (even if "Everybody" DOES love "Raymond," "Raymond" evidently DON'T love "Everybody...?!")

Wotinell is yer problem?!

How have I mortally offended you?!

I'm in the process of having a fairly intellectual, and civilized, digital conversation with a few of the listeners at this facility!

The thread started out as a(n) APPROPRIATE "dis" of Canadian Bonded Credits, Limited (limited? HAH!)...the collection agency from hell or vicinity...about which I have available a significant paucity of "kind words" (are you a iQor, Inc formerly CBCL - Canadian Bonded Credit Limited - Now Iqor Collection Agency employee [my pity] or
stockholder [good luck...]...?!)

It has since, just like REAL LIVE conversations, wandered off in as many directions as Stephen Leacock's well-known protagonist "rode off in"...!

But...so far your entire contribution has been to repeatedly (and, it should be noted, also repetitively...!) "flame" me personally!

Do we assume that the "voices coming from God/the sky/behind the refrigerator/etc." are telling you to do this? If so, either upgrade your meds or try a stronger dosage...

BTW, I dwell in OSHAWA, not Whitby...although I have been known to visit the latter municipality...

Steven C. Barr

Okeh...going back to the most recent post from "Correll & Gosden"...

First, to comment specifically on what I was more-or-less personally asked about:

Yes, I said...and I believe...that both competition and co-operation are basic "givens" for Homo Sapiens...and, in this XXI Jahrhundert, the former quality has become the most dominant one, at the expense of the latter! However, to reiterate what I first said, we humans HAD to co-operate, both as prey and as predators! One hapless single (proto?)-human...with no talons, no fangs, no built-in (on?) armour, and so on, stood little chance in eating any sort of large prey...or BEING eaten by large predators. What we DID have, though, was our ability to form temporary collective groups...as well as the intelligence, and communication abilities...to either bring down larger prey or to battle larger and more fearsome predators!

Of course, this concept rather disabuses the
Ayn-Randian "Collective=Evil" idea...!

Now...to comment on the rest of C&G's lengthy missive...

As humans (by then, "Homo Sapiens") evolved from wandering bands of hunter-gatherers into what we (erroneously or not...?!) call "civilized life," we began gathering at/into larger groups, and establishing more permanent communities (which became villages, then towns, the cities, and so on...) it became clear to these humans that, first, there had to be some control over human behaviour for such communities to successfully survive...and, second, there had to be some sort of enforced co-operation so that necessary amenities (either physical entities or services) could be provided to these communities as they became necessary.

This, in turn, led to two things! The first was the concept of some sort of leadership, either internally selected or externally imposed. Now, our hunter/gatherer ancestors had always had the loose concept of "leader," in such forms as a tribal chieftain...who, if nothing else, could impose a course of action if the tribe didn't/couldn't...! So, our barely-historic ancestors experimented with various ways of selecting a "leader" (often a
complicated hierarchy of them)...and we had chiefs, mayors, kings, tsars...along with their retinue of various sub-whatevers...

This, in turn, has evolved into a half-vast throng of various sysyems of administration, which operate with various degrees of efficiency, fairness, usw.

The second result of our "civilizin'" was the creation of a "priesthood" (again, based on items in our hunter/gatherer packs) and, by extension, another outside-imposed set of rules and regulations about our behaviour, intended to improve the chances of our species' survival...this time from "God" (or however this external supreme being is to be referred). Oddly enough, these are credited to different sources...but on the other hand are remarkably similar...so I leave it to our listeners from whence these came...and how!

Final comment: although the degree to which we endorse, or even agree with, the concept of a "government" varies widely...it is still a (very simple) fact that NO gathering/group of humans has ever successfully survived without one!

Imagine living in a community where "your property" (real estate, goods, mate, children, cat, usw...) remained "yours" until some larger/stronger/better organized opponent or group thereof forcibly took it from you...and your only option was to recover it by force! Imagine a community where roads had to be built by those who wanted them badly enough to co-operate long enough to construct them (in spite of those who DIDN'T want the road, and strove physically to prevent it...)...a community in which fire-fighting only existed when enough individuals decided "We better go stop Joe Gabroni's house from burning down, eh?!"

THIS is why governments exist...and, by extension, since providing these necessary services costs money...why taxes exist!

In the very earliest days of Canada, those whose land abutted "Concession Roads" were expected to provide a specified amount of labour toward clearing those road allowances! In fact, municipal sidewalks are still paid for in a similar way (except if the sidewalk runs across your lot, you pay in money rather than by shovelling or pouring concrete...)
Now, consider the "four-nothin'-one"...and imagine trying to build that by having every person whose land abuts its path show up, shovel in hand...?!

Na und?!
Steven C. Barr

Advocate: How'd you get over to this thread? Go here for CL1

/threadview/434/2834/6.html

Not sure why you would do that kind of search unless looking to see if the business itself is licensed to do BUSINESS either provincial or nationally or looking for info on its Board etc.

For the purposes of this site I believe that when we refer to a license..it is not the one to be in business... which is clearly a requirement..but the license from the province to be in the collection business which is a whole different matter.

In Nova Scotia, you can probably call the provincial toll free number 1 (800)424-5200 and speak to the SERVICES NOVA SCOTIA AND MUNICIPAL RELATIONS, the provincial government ministry that now houses what once was, with some common sense, called Consumer Affairs.

You can ask them if CONTACT RESOURCE SERVICES is licensed in the province to be in the collection business.

Matter of fact, while on the phone why not ask if the question can be answered by an internet search of their files and let all of us know if this can be done, and what the URL is, if there is one.

I spent about 1/2 hour trying to find the collection notice originally posted on this site, but it seems to be hided away somewhere.

Boston, can you tell me if the original notice has the EXACT same name, as that in which it is registered at JOINT STOCKS?

BA

Very sorry to hear about your friend Monty. An almost identical story happening in the States right now concerning Ed and Elaine Brown in New Hampshire who have offered one million dollars to whomever can show them the law that requires the american people to pay income tax.

Sadly there is very little news reported about this but lots and lots about Paris Hilton. Doesnt that make you go..."hmmmm"?

Robert Menard of BC has issued a similar challenge.
http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=47

As for your question about whether or not I would forsake all for my beliefs; I reserve the right to choose depending on whether or not I can reasonbly keep my family safe from those who would try to stop me from speaking for freedom.
----does this even SOUND like a free society then where people must choose between the safety of their family and conforming to laws that dont even exist?

And yes, I do drive on roads that are in the geographic region of canada. I have, along with my neighbors, at great effort and expense built roads for the use of my community, which were subsequently stolen by the provincial government...but that's not an uncommon story.

I also pay gas tax which was initiated as a means to pay for road building and maintenence. In addition I pay liscence fees, registration fees, drivers license fees, gst, pst.

I agree that I am provided many amenities which have been provided for by the sweat and toil of good decent people. All of which is fine. But does it make sense to believe that these are provided by the government?

We trust the government to somehow arrange and organize said amenities/benefits/security---which was the original true role of government as civil servants. And where could they get the energy/money to provide these services except from us?

Democracy, we were taught in school was government BY the people and FOR the people.

I agree that we cant change all of this overnight but when decent ordinary people are afraid to speak out for what they believe is true are there not some things which need to be questioned?

Many people have died, been imprisoned and otherwise suffered in the name of freedom and that may never change. But without their sacrifice--what kind of freedom would we have; if any? Is freedom something that's given to us?

Or is it something that we must earn?

Given all that Steven has said about the natural propensity for humans to gain over each other? Steven, you speak well of cooperation as well as competition. Both of which are human attributes.

Society is dynamic and always changing. We are in the midst of a massive change right now. And each of gets to choose, deliberately or by default, what kind of future we want for ourselves and our children.

Thank you both for your thoughtful responses.

Monty:

The internet is the crack-cocaine of the new age. And you're a pusher. (It takes one to know one ;)

Raymond,

You haven't added you province yet....

Are you going to join the ranks and add your province?